BVC v CLP
Round 1 (Economics):
CLP v BVC is a fight akin to 2 similar boxers of almost equal power but each with its own distinct strength and weakness. The CLP is a much cheaper examination than the BVC. The BVC is conducted in a posh environment where status is of a primary importance. Therefore, in terms of simple economics, the CLP will probably take the lead into the 2nd round with a considerable margin.
Round 2 (Status):
Obviously paying so much for the BVC has to count for something? Of course it does! A BVC holder is almost guaranteed worldwide recognition. The CLP although held in high regards in Malaysia has to be a pale comparison in terms of global recognition compared to the BVC. Thus, the BVC will take this round!
Round 3 (Employability):
It seems that in Malaysia, both a BVC/CLP holder has an equal footing on the employability scale, that is pending you’re interested in pursuing your career at a law firm. As a matter of fact, there are some who are of the opinion that CLP holders will have a direct advantage here because they are already introduced to Malaysian law at some stage. However, while the BVC holders lose a bit of ground on this respect, it seems that it makes up ground on other areas. Apparently BVC holders are held in higher regard when they are applying for job vacancies at multi-national companies. I have seen examples of BVC providers conducting their syllabus and I have to admit that it is very impressive indeed. On the other hand, I also have to admit that I have not seen how the CLP is conducted, thus, it would not be fair for me to judge its competency. Therefore, this round will probably be a draw.
Round 4 (Passing the exams):
Apparently, many people feel that the BVC is a much ‘easier option’ than the CLP. BEEP! Sorry, wrong answer! I have many friends in both courses who are complaining endlessly that both of these courses are indeed tough. Neither is simple nor easy. The CLP and BVC are constructed in a way as to provide the perfect grounding for an aspiring legal practitioner. Although the CLP has a poor passing rate, the BVC has a poor entry rate. Not many people get to take the BVC and not many people get to pass the CLP. It is also noteworthy that not many BVC students go on to secure a pupilage and lesser still secure a tenancy. Obviously, if you are planning to take the BVC, then you must have some aspiration to work in the UK. Be warned though not many get this chance. So is the BVC worth that much of a bother if your chances of securing a pupilage are so low even though you qualified with a distinction in your BVC?
Round 5 (Quota?):
CLP v BVC is a fight akin to 2 similar boxers of almost equal power but each with its own distinct strength and weakness. The CLP is a much cheaper examination than the BVC. The BVC is conducted in a posh environment where status is of a primary importance. Therefore, in terms of simple economics, the CLP will probably take the lead into the 2nd round with a considerable margin.
Round 2 (Status):
Obviously paying so much for the BVC has to count for something? Of course it does! A BVC holder is almost guaranteed worldwide recognition. The CLP although held in high regards in Malaysia has to be a pale comparison in terms of global recognition compared to the BVC. Thus, the BVC will take this round!
Round 3 (Employability):
It seems that in Malaysia, both a BVC/CLP holder has an equal footing on the employability scale, that is pending you’re interested in pursuing your career at a law firm. As a matter of fact, there are some who are of the opinion that CLP holders will have a direct advantage here because they are already introduced to Malaysian law at some stage. However, while the BVC holders lose a bit of ground on this respect, it seems that it makes up ground on other areas. Apparently BVC holders are held in higher regard when they are applying for job vacancies at multi-national companies. I have seen examples of BVC providers conducting their syllabus and I have to admit that it is very impressive indeed. On the other hand, I also have to admit that I have not seen how the CLP is conducted, thus, it would not be fair for me to judge its competency. Therefore, this round will probably be a draw.
Round 4 (Passing the exams):
Apparently, many people feel that the BVC is a much ‘easier option’ than the CLP. BEEP! Sorry, wrong answer! I have many friends in both courses who are complaining endlessly that both of these courses are indeed tough. Neither is simple nor easy. The CLP and BVC are constructed in a way as to provide the perfect grounding for an aspiring legal practitioner. Although the CLP has a poor passing rate, the BVC has a poor entry rate. Not many people get to take the BVC and not many people get to pass the CLP. It is also noteworthy that not many BVC students go on to secure a pupilage and lesser still secure a tenancy. Obviously, if you are planning to take the BVC, then you must have some aspiration to work in the UK. Be warned though not many get this chance. So is the BVC worth that much of a bother if your chances of securing a pupilage are so low even though you qualified with a distinction in your BVC?
Round 5 (Quota?):
This is where the final argument lies.
Some people contend that there is a quota put to restrict the passing rate of the CLP exams. If this is true, that means you are not only challenging yourself to attain good grades but you are also competing with other CLP students to see who is the better law student, albeit not necessarily a better lawyer! In this respect, it seems to be better to take the BVC isn’t it? Since by taking the BVC, your future is safely in your own hands, you work hard and excel and you are through while if you slacken and party the year long, you condemn yourself to your own grave. So the main question here is there really a quota?
Verdict: UNDECIDED
Obviously as you can see, I’m still hopelessly UNDECIDED. This article is a plea to all out there who may have views regarding the virtues of either the CLP/BVC. All comments are welcomed without reservation. If my ideas on each of the 5 points stated above are wrong, please do correct my assumptions. I hope this article will stimulate a good response in my comments box.
(eagerly waiting)
Verdict: UNDECIDED
Obviously as you can see, I’m still hopelessly UNDECIDED. This article is a plea to all out there who may have views regarding the virtues of either the CLP/BVC. All comments are welcomed without reservation. If my ideas on each of the 5 points stated above are wrong, please do correct my assumptions. I hope this article will stimulate a good response in my comments box.
(eagerly waiting)
14 Comments:
InnerFlame,
You worry too much. :)
Yes,there are pros and cons for both but my advice is, if you get to do the BVC and if you can afford it, it would be a good learning opprtunity.
Try for it. The CLP is waiting back home anyhow.
heyya!
err...ur blog is becoming a sports channel..lol!
happy new year!
cheers!
Ken: Hehe...BVC takes a 1-0 lead
Bondi: I'm A SPORTS FANATIC!!! I admit it for heaven's sake!! LOL...Enjoy your new year's too. If u drop by to Oxford again, give me a shout!
Okay even before reading your article, I can give you a few “brutally” honest
views (don't read further if you got weak heart!) as follows:-
3 major reasons to do CLP in M’sia:-
a)It’s definitely way cheaper.
b)Practical if you want to be practicing as a lawyer/legal adviser in M’sia.
c)You’d get familiar with the local statutes & case law.
3 major reasons to do BVC in UK:-
a)You’re too rich and got no any other way of spending your money (your parents’)
b)You’re so sure that you can practice in UK
c)You’re too “coward” to face “CLP”.
I need to emphasize here that even though rumour have it that CLP is tough but still, look, there’re a lot of living-proofs here i.e. law students who passed
their CLP and becomes lawyers!
Ok, take this scenario, you become a lawyer and you’re assigned with a tough file
and don’t tell me that you’d tell your boss that “I’m scared that I’d not be able to handle it” or worse “I quit”! Come on, get your guts out!!! Don’t be such a chicken! The same theory applies in doing CLP. You can choose to hide from something but you can never hide from everything! Take the chance and prove your worth. You have yet to study for CLP and yet you’re already in doubt. It’s such a shame. It’s like a soldier “shot” himself dead before the war. But in the end, of
course, it’s your choice.
As for the quota part, have a little more faith in yourself. Where’s your “fighting” spirit? Anyway, get your degree first and then only worry about CLP/BVC. Do thing one at a time (btw, you can afford to do it during your study
but definitely not during practice. Believe me). There’s no need to rush.
(reproduced on behalf of CT who posted this comment on an e-mail)
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Happy New Year, Innerflame7; and keep that flame burning!!
Those views are strictly my own personal views. To have everyone agree on the same thing without disagreement is only making this world boring...BTW, reading my
comments, everyone must have thought that i did CLP before but the truth is just exactly the opposite. I didn't do BVC either. So I'm basically just a neutral "observer". Anyway, hopefully you'll retain that "fire" of yours in practise as
well because it's definitely the basic element to keep you going especially doing litigation.
Happy New Year.
Happy new year to you too :)
Fishtail: Happy New Year 2 u as well! Don't worry fishtail the flame never dies as long as I live.
CainsT & Weng Tchung: Thank you both for your passionate and maybe strong worded comments.
CainsT: 1. Happy New Year 2 u 2.
2.As you said, you did fail to provide a "prima facie" case for ur arguments though I can understand your points coz they were cited in my article anyway!
3.But, your practical views is alwiz welcomed.
4.But, Weng is right, the choice of the word 'coward' is perhaps unsuitable.
5.And, although you don't want to reveal ur identity, I think you juz did with ur last comment. LOL.
Weng: 1. A 1st class submission as always.
2. Hmm..you're right 'bout the part regarding the phrase "to take things at a time". Time is at a premium importance for all those who dream of doing the BVC. Aspiring to be a barrister or perhaps a silk even is a dream of stars.
3.However, as much as I do not agree people labelling those who opt for the BVC as "cowards", similarly, I think you had erred a lil', perhaps in ur moment of passion with the phrases which u used ie :
a)"CLP is not necessarily the journey "brave" Malaysian lawyers should take; rather it looks more like the backdoor into the Malaysian legal profession for the incompetent."
b)"we choose to go for the BVC because it is better."
Anyhow, again, a wonderful piece of submission from both of u. Cheers and enjoy the New Year!!
Au revoir
Hey! J~tea, if your read back your previous mail to me before my reply on "CLP v BVC" to you, then you'd understand better on my choice of words (i.e. "coward", etc all those harsh but honest & bona fide words) and they were all applicable only to you personally and nobody else. So i can understand why people like Weng Tchung got all "heated" up reading my brutal comments because if i were him(and a few years younger in number), i may got all heated up as well and even WORSE than him! But I guess over the years, my sense of humour got better of me! Hahaha...Loosen up a little guys (but don't lose it in courts)! All the best..
CainsT:
1.If it was personally addressed to me, then, perhaps I think such a personal attack was unwarranted.
2.I don't see how taking the CLP/BVC makes a person (including me) a coward! That's why people like Weng Tchung got 'heated up'. We are passionate about our work. Name calling is undesirable for it is the exact thing that makes a person what you described of in the 1st place: a "coward".
3.However, I'm sure you are not a 'coward' although you think I'm. Again, I reiterate that no decision has been made officially yet on my part on either doing the CLP/BVC. Thank god that you have got a better sense of humour these days so you would not mind me pointing out some of your errors would you?
4. Thank you for your advice.I can speak for my part and I certainly will loosen up in the future. LOL. On Weng Tchung, I can't comment, but he will probably drop by to comment. Alas, we still ARE passionate bout our work! Cheers!
J~tea, either you didn't read back your own mail or you just failed to "appreciate" my good intention. I'm calling you "coward" because you have yet to actually sit for CLP and yet you've got so many negative views "stuffed" in your mind to scare yourself off from doing CLP already. That's why i gave the illustration of a soldier who shot himself even before the war! In the first place, my comments were for your personal digestion in reply to your mail but then you posted it up and got me "thrashed" when i was totally "unprepared"..Anyway, said & done, i'm quite enjoying the "unofficial" debate though...i guess bad habit is hard to break for law students..everything's argueable!Hahaha...
Let's do the CLP then! :-)
Hi! I am currently faced with the same dilemma and I would like to know the choice you've made and whether you think it was a good decision please :D Thanks a lot!
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